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		<title>Comment on One small step for a bacterium&#8230; by Nash</title>
		<link>http://science.absolutegeeky.com/2008/06/11/one-small-step/comment-page-1/#comment-1133</link>
		<dc:creator>Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that I read the articles, I understand that what is new here is not that traits evolve, but an understanding of how difficult it can be to tease out the effects of nature and nurture on evolution.

By the way, kudos for having the patience to run a 21 year experiment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that I read the articles, I understand that what is new here is not that traits evolve, but an understanding of how difficult it can be to tease out the effects of nature and nurture on evolution.</p>
<p>By the way, kudos for having the patience to run a 21 year experiment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on One small step for a bacterium&#8230; by Ashwan</title>
		<link>http://science.absolutegeeky.com/2008/06/11/one-small-step/comment-page-1/#comment-1132</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You bring up a good point about speciation for bacteria. In fact the strain used in these experiments did not carry the F plasmid and so reproduction was completely asexual.

But they did carry out experiments that showed that in the &quot;evolved&quot; line recombination with the ancestor was inhibited and thus demonstrated &quot;incipient speciation&quot;

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&amp;cmd=Retrieve&amp;dopt=AbstractPlus&amp;list_uids=10377417&amp;query_hl=5&amp;itool=pubmed_DocSum</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You bring up a good point about speciation for bacteria. In fact the strain used in these experiments did not carry the F plasmid and so reproduction was completely asexual.</p>
<p>But they did carry out experiments that showed that in the &#8220;evolved&#8221; line recombination with the ancestor was inhibited and thus demonstrated &#8220;incipient speciation&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&amp;cmd=Retrieve&amp;dopt=AbstractPlus&amp;list_uids=10377417&amp;query_hl=5&amp;itool=pubmed_DocSum" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov');">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&amp;cmd=Retrieve&amp;dopt=AbstractPlus&amp;list_uids=10377417&amp;query_hl=5&amp;itool=pubmed_DocSum</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on One small step for a bacterium&#8230; by Ashwan</title>
		<link>http://science.absolutegeeky.com/2008/06/11/one-small-step/comment-page-1/#comment-1131</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering that all 12 lines had the same ancestor, where did that &quot;hidden species&quot; come from?

Of course, Lenski isn&#039;t claiming this is speciation at all, but nevertheless it&#039;s a demonstration of a new trait evolving when previously there wasn&#039;t one.

This is now an &quot;old&quot; paper, earlier this month they published new work where they sequenced the genome of the different lines and also ancestral ones to figure out what genetic changes occurred.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=evolution-details-revealed-through-2009-10-18

(Don&#039;t have a link to the paper from Nature unfortunately and I haven&#039;t read it yet myself.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering that all 12 lines had the same ancestor, where did that &#8220;hidden species&#8221; come from?</p>
<p>Of course, Lenski isn&#8217;t claiming this is speciation at all, but nevertheless it&#8217;s a demonstration of a new trait evolving when previously there wasn&#8217;t one.</p>
<p>This is now an &#8220;old&#8221; paper, earlier this month they published new work where they sequenced the genome of the different lines and also ancestral ones to figure out what genetic changes occurred.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=evolution-details-revealed-through-2009-10-18" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.scientificamerican.com');">http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=evolution-details-revealed-through-2009-10-18</a></p>
<p>(Don&#8217;t have a link to the paper from Nature unfortunately and I haven&#8217;t read it yet myself.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on One small step for a bacterium&#8230; by Nash</title>
		<link>http://science.absolutegeeky.com/2008/06/11/one-small-step/comment-page-1/#comment-1130</link>
		<dc:creator>Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh boy, his experiment counts as a fail.

Since there turned out to be one strain that evolved Cit+ness reproducibly , and others did not - this means that there were already on some hidden(to us) biochemical or molecular level, two distinct species - one that had the potential to evolve Cit+ness and the other not.

In this light, the experiment does not show speciation, but merely the fact that variation can occur - which is not exactly news.

In any case, for bacteria and many other simple asexually reproducing organisms the concept of &quot;species&quot; is a not discrete, but a continuum. The test for speciation in the lab would be variation that leads to reproductive isolation , and thus splitting of a single population into two distinct populations with no chance of creating a hybrid progeny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh boy, his experiment counts as a fail.</p>
<p>Since there turned out to be one strain that evolved Cit+ness reproducibly , and others did not &#8211; this means that there were already on some hidden(to us) biochemical or molecular level, two distinct species &#8211; one that had the potential to evolve Cit+ness and the other not.</p>
<p>In this light, the experiment does not show speciation, but merely the fact that variation can occur &#8211; which is not exactly news.</p>
<p>In any case, for bacteria and many other simple asexually reproducing organisms the concept of &#8220;species&#8221; is a not discrete, but a continuum. The test for speciation in the lab would be variation that leads to reproductive isolation , and thus splitting of a single population into two distinct populations with no chance of creating a hybrid progeny.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The State of Evolution by imtyaz</title>
		<link>http://science.absolutegeeky.com/2007/06/06/the-state-of-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>imtyaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how they evolve. i just want to see animation on that

[WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The poster sent us &#039;0 which is not a hashcash value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how they evolve. i just want to see animation on that</p>
<p>[WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The poster sent us &#8216;0 which is not a hashcash value.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The State of Evolution by Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of evolution, I saw this on the TV a couple of days ago: http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Aug09/0,4670,HumanEvolution,00.html

You guys should blog your thoughts on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of evolution, I saw this on the TV a couple of days ago: <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Aug09/0,4670,HumanEvolution,00.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.foxnews.com');">http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Aug09/0,4670,HumanEvolution,00.html</a></p>
<p>You guys should blog your thoughts on it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome back! by Dylan</title>
		<link>http://science.absolutegeeky.com/2007/05/15/welcome-back/comment-page-1/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More power to you, O Geeky One!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More power to you, O Geeky One!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Going google-eyed over AI by AXE</title>
		<link>http://science.absolutegeeky.com/2007/02/24/going-google-eyed-over-ai/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>AXE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 04:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting Macchan! But your argument reins true. There are more abstraction levels and layers of control that are not there in DNA!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Good blogging!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting Macchan! But your argument reins true. There are more abstraction levels and layers of control that are not there in DNA!</p>
<p>Good blogging!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Going google-eyed over AI by Dylan</title>
		<link>http://science.absolutegeeky.com/2007/02/24/going-google-eyed-over-ai/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha! So this is where your biology-programming intersect REALLY pays off!!!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Interesting read..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha! So this is where your biology-programming intersect REALLY pays off!!!</p>
<p>Interesting read..</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Diet Coke and Mentos Experiments by GreyArea</title>
		<link>http://science.absolutegeeky.com/2007/01/02/the-diet-coke-and-mentos-experiments/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>GreyArea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 07:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dylan, that wasn&#039;t me. Some poor sod on the net who thinks he&#039;s the first one to use the id greyarea! :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dylan, that wasn&#8217;t me. Some poor sod on the net who thinks he&#8217;s the first one to use the id greyarea! <img src='http://science.absolutegeeky.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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